1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:08,180 you are saying to the human race for the first time we are not alone we're definitely not 2 00:00:08,180 --> 00:00:13,910 alone [Music] 3 00:00:13,910 --> 00:00:29,199 [Music] hello there I'm Bryce zabel and you're listening to need to know and as you recall 4 00:00:29,199 --> 00:00:35,200 from our last podcast we had to mention that Ross wasn't with us he was on assignment and 5 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:41,020 I'm happy to say that that part has been fixed Ross may still be on assignment and he is 6 00:00:41,020 --> 00:00:46,820 in Paris France but he's with us today Ross welcome back we missed you a lot tell me what 7 00:00:46,820 --> 00:00:53,750 you've been up to oh boy Bryce what what a few weeks it's um can I just say for a moment 8 00:00:53,750 --> 00:00:58,050 let's just stop for a moment and think about the fact that you and I both know what we're 9 00:00:58,050 --> 00:01:04,339 about to talk about right I think this is the beginning of a very important moment in 10 00:01:04,339 --> 00:01:11,200 history I really do I don't think it's the moment but I think it's a Tipping Point a 11 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:20,460 slow movement towards an admission by the U.S government of things that seem unimaginable 12 00:01:20,460 --> 00:01:25,380 so what have I been doing well we're actually pre-recording this because I'm going to be 13 00:01:25,380 --> 00:01:32,710 on the move when this goes to air but what we do know is that there is going to be an 14 00:01:32,710 --> 00:01:40,450 article appearing in the debrief written by Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal which I hope 15 00:01:40,450 --> 00:01:47,250 will rock Washington the intelligence community and the Department of Defense right to its 16 00:01:47,250 --> 00:01:56,270 socks it's the revelations of a hugely important intelligence Community Insider a guy called 17 00:01:56,270 --> 00:02:04,311 David grush who until early April was a very senior member of the intelligence community 18 00:02:04,311 --> 00:02:10,030 and Bryce as you know because you've been very much part of this you've been very much 19 00:02:10,030 --> 00:02:16,560 a good Mentor to me throughout all of this Dave and I have been talking for some time 20 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:23,650 and I have the television interview with Dave grush which will be going to air later this 21 00:02:23,650 --> 00:02:32,230 week and you'll see hopefully in this program the news Nation TV promotional teasers that 22 00:02:32,230 --> 00:02:37,780 are advertising this forthcoming interview he's a decorated U.S veteran and a Former 23 00:02:37,780 --> 00:02:43,290 high-ranking Intelligence officer at the Pentagon and now for the first time on camera he's 24 00:02:43,290 --> 00:02:48,620 blowing the whistle on something extraordinary there's a sophisticated disinformation campaign 25 00:02:48,620 --> 00:02:55,099 what our government is hiding from you and the as Fantastical as that sounds it's true 26 00:02:55,099 --> 00:03:02,360 what is the truth about UFOs in a worldwide television exclusive he talks to news Nation 27 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,019 we are not alone Sunday at 9 8 central 28 00:03:05,019 --> 00:03:19,000 thank you [Music] 29 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:28,090 I think what Mr grush has to say is quite momentous it's it's big and I think we have 30 00:03:28,090 --> 00:03:36,909 the beginning of what I believe will be a trail of whistleblowers good men and women 31 00:03:36,909 --> 00:03:44,049 who are now coming forward to talk about what they know about incredible as it may seem 32 00:03:44,049 --> 00:03:53,640 a non-human intelligence that's been engaging with this planet for many many years and Incredibly 33 00:03:53,640 --> 00:04:00,420 even further the fact that the United States government really is in possession of retrieved 34 00:04:00,420 --> 00:04:09,560 non-human technology so that's what I've been doing yeah there's a little to think about 35 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:14,250 I want to thank you for the way you started it because that actually describes my feelings 36 00:04:14,250 --> 00:04:20,130 I met Dave grush through you almost a month ago met him twice had lunch with him thanks 37 00:04:20,130 --> 00:04:27,080 to you again um but I have to say I've spent many nights and days in the last month where 38 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:34,330 I kind of sit there and drift off because I'm thinking wow we've been doing this for 39 00:04:34,330 --> 00:04:40,270 a long time as a need to know podcast and and YouTube channel but I've been involved 40 00:04:40,270 --> 00:04:45,700 in this you know as as you have for years and I've been thinking about what it's going 41 00:04:45,700 --> 00:04:50,639 to take and you called it a Tipping Point yeah that's what's been getting to me because 42 00:04:50,639 --> 00:04:57,330 I've been thinking well we're actually at that point now where it isn't just a hopeful 43 00:04:57,330 --> 00:05:03,949 optimistic random speculation but it's beginning to get very very real I've been told that 44 00:05:03,949 --> 00:05:12,580 there have been attempts to bring down craft that we've acted offensively against non-human 45 00:05:12,580 --> 00:05:20,360 craft there have been instances and there are certain techniques have human beings been 46 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:27,120 hurt or killed by a non-human intelligence while I can't get into the specifics because 47 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:34,010 that would reveal a certain U.S classified operations I was briefed by a few individuals 48 00:05:34,010 --> 00:05:39,350 on the program that there were malevolent events like that so what I think would be 49 00:05:39,350 --> 00:05:45,350 nice for us is if we turn the the table a little bit and let me interview you a little 50 00:05:45,350 --> 00:05:51,229 bit about how you tipped to Dave grush um what you're going to have in your story that's 51 00:05:51,229 --> 00:05:57,090 so unique and um and I think we should start with that I think what a lot of people who 52 00:05:57,090 --> 00:06:02,570 have read the article that uh Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal wrote will be thinking 53 00:06:02,570 --> 00:06:07,410 is okay well it's great I read it in print who is this guy exactly well you put him on 54 00:06:07,410 --> 00:06:13,480 camera how did you find him and get him to do that I I have to say my impressions of 55 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:20,030 Dave grush are not formed just by talking to Dave grush uh both Leslie and Ralph and 56 00:06:20,030 --> 00:06:26,000 I have done very methodical checking into his background we've assessed his credibility 57 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:31,389 and more importantly we've verified with many independent sources that he is who he says 58 00:06:31,389 --> 00:06:38,000 he is he's basically the guy he's one of the guys who quite literally was involved in putting 59 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:43,091 together the presidential daily briefing for the president of the United States he was 60 00:06:43,091 --> 00:06:48,660 cleared so highly with his top secret SCI compartmented clearance that he was given 61 00:06:48,660 --> 00:06:56,030 access to over 2 000 special access programs and before any of you linked to conclusions 62 00:06:56,030 --> 00:07:01,260 and assume that he's another Edward Snowden or another person who's breaking the law to 63 00:07:01,260 --> 00:07:09,000 bring this information to the public the extraordinary thing about Dave grush's Revelations are that 64 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:16,889 he is making them under the authorization of the defense office pre-publications Security 65 00:07:16,889 --> 00:07:24,569 review he has been approved by the U.S Department of Defense to do the interview he's done with 66 00:07:24,569 --> 00:07:32,240 me and with Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal I like to think I'd hope that this indicates 67 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:40,080 a pleasant level of openness by the U.S defense department but as Dave candidly has told me 68 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:45,849 he believes it's more a necessity for the U.S defense department he's determined he 69 00:07:45,849 --> 00:07:52,470 wants to tell his story and I think they see the doctor review as a way of trying to control 70 00:07:52,470 --> 00:07:58,479 his narrative but it's hugely significant because essentially he has put what he wants 71 00:07:58,479 --> 00:08:04,970 to talk about to the U.S defense department and he has received approval from the U.S 72 00:08:04,970 --> 00:08:11,500 defense department to talk about what he reveals to both Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal and 73 00:08:11,500 --> 00:08:16,590 myself I I think that's quite huge and it's a very pleasant degree of openness from a 74 00:08:16,590 --> 00:08:22,060 department that frankly I think we've had good cause to be very critical of in the past 75 00:08:22,060 --> 00:08:27,409 that's one of the reasons why I do think we're about to step into the unknown but what he 76 00:08:27,409 --> 00:08:34,880 did do is he worked for the UAP task force he was perhaps the lead investigator for the 77 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:41,180 body that the Pentagon set up to investigate the phenomenon at the request of the Congress 78 00:08:41,180 --> 00:08:46,140 and it was he who was authorized with all of his compartmented security clearances to 79 00:08:46,140 --> 00:08:54,130 go and find the code name programs that do exist that contain what he alleges involved 80 00:08:54,130 --> 00:09:01,579 as we've read today in the debrief a crash retrieval program recovered non-human technology 81 00:09:01,579 --> 00:09:08,390 that is secretly held by the United States why do you know it's exotic uh based on the 82 00:09:08,390 --> 00:09:13,829 very specific properties that I was briefed on you know isotopic ratios that would have 83 00:09:13,829 --> 00:09:24,000 to be engineered for it to be at those levels but also just extremely uh strange heavy Atomic 84 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:30,310 metal you know high up in the periodic table Arrangements that we don't understand you 85 00:09:30,310 --> 00:09:36,459 know what the emergent properties are but there's just a very strange mix of um elements 86 00:09:36,459 --> 00:09:44,370 so you're absolutely sure that the materials that these crafts are made of are clearly 87 00:09:44,370 --> 00:09:52,130 not of this Earth yeah they're sophisticatedly engineered certainly not by humans I I like 88 00:09:52,130 --> 00:09:58,829 you in the last few weeks Bryce ever since I've first spoken to Dave had trouble processing 89 00:09:58,829 --> 00:10:07,190 what he's been telling us I've asked myself constantly could he be some kind of disinformation 90 00:10:07,190 --> 00:10:13,130 stooge that's being put up by the defense department to completely and egregiously mislead 91 00:10:13,130 --> 00:10:20,970 the UAP research community so many people have vouched for him from the inside I've 92 00:10:20,970 --> 00:10:26,089 never been fully candid even with you my friend about the people that I've been talking to 93 00:10:26,089 --> 00:10:31,060 but you might remember I told you once that I in my book as well I I talked about a guy 94 00:10:31,060 --> 00:10:38,051 called nat cobitz yup and that was one of the chief gigs for the U.S Navy and he was 95 00:10:38,051 --> 00:10:46,389 dying and he gave me leads and I've never spoken about this before but he gave me leads 96 00:10:46,389 --> 00:10:56,420 that led me to people working in what they purported was a secret program involving the 97 00:10:56,420 --> 00:11:04,730 retrieval and attempted reverse engineering of non-human technology and I've been speaking 98 00:11:04,730 --> 00:11:12,380 to those people for some time and it was they who told me about Dave grush and it was they 99 00:11:12,380 --> 00:11:20,709 who vouched about Dave grush to me so unless there's been an elaborate disinformation program 100 00:11:20,709 --> 00:11:28,200 going back to maybe even three years I think this guy's for real he's one of the highest 101 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:37,200 intelligence officers ever to come forward in fact I think he is the highest intelligence 102 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:43,470 officer ever to come forward on the issue of uaps and one of the reasons why I think 103 00:11:43,470 --> 00:11:49,690 we should give him huge credibility is because I've been able to confirm and so have Leslie 104 00:11:49,690 --> 00:11:56,700 and Ralph that Dave's allegations made in a secret hearing to the Inspector General 105 00:11:56,700 --> 00:12:07,040 of the intelligence community have been verified to be both urgent and credible and for that 106 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:15,160 reason his allegations were referred urgently to the oversight Committees of the Congress 107 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,800 you know Russ there's so much to unpack there let's start with the simplest one you said 108 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:25,290 at the very beginning that he had filed for a dopsa review you better explain that so 109 00:12:25,290 --> 00:12:31,199 people know what you're talking about there sure a doctor review is a defense office pre-publications 110 00:12:31,199 --> 00:12:36,839 Security Office review where they basically look at what people want to write and if you 111 00:12:36,839 --> 00:12:42,070 are a compartmented top secret clear person you are illegally obliged to get anything 112 00:12:42,070 --> 00:12:48,529 that you want to publish checked by the defense department now I do emphasize it's not a verification 113 00:12:48,529 --> 00:12:53,750 that the statements the person's making are authentic you know theoretically Dave could 114 00:12:53,750 --> 00:12:58,970 basically put to them a whole series of false allegations that he wants to allege and they 115 00:12:58,970 --> 00:13:04,639 could theoretically verify those false allegations because none of them breach National Security 116 00:13:04,639 --> 00:13:12,980 what I find very very interesting and this is revealed in Leslie Kane's story is that 117 00:13:12,980 --> 00:13:19,250 there are things that are authorized in the dobsa review by the defense department that 118 00:13:19,250 --> 00:13:27,880 are simply breathtaking they are they are authorizing Dave to talk about historical 119 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:39,070 crash retrievals you know okay um when I say historical crash retrievals I'm talking about 120 00:13:39,070 --> 00:13:45,449 well I would call it alien so would you but the term they use is non-human intelligence 121 00:13:45,449 --> 00:13:50,820 they're talking about non-human intelligence technology nhi technology and we're going 122 00:13:50,820 --> 00:13:59,880 to be hearing that term a lot nhi let's go back to the dapsa review for a moment I assume 123 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:05,139 this is the same kind of thing that Lou Elizondo has just gone through for his book uh in order 124 00:14:05,139 --> 00:14:10,440 to publish it the other thing about it is uh you do say to yourself why on Earth would 125 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,930 the defense department let him come forward and talk about such things if they're also 126 00:14:14,930 --> 00:14:19,980 at the same time denying that they have any information about it well part of it is of 127 00:14:19,980 --> 00:14:26,199 course that um if they turned him down if they said you can't go talk about that that 128 00:14:26,199 --> 00:14:31,779 I believe triggers an entire process where he has you know there's a back and forth and 129 00:14:31,779 --> 00:14:36,610 it's public is that right and so therefore one incentive for the defense department to 130 00:14:36,610 --> 00:14:41,570 say go talk about whatever you want there is they don't want that or they did not want 131 00:14:41,570 --> 00:14:48,440 that kind of back and forth first and foremost let me emphasize Dave grush is a patriot he 132 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:54,310 strongly believes that the information he holds which he has acquired by doing his investigations 133 00:14:54,310 --> 00:15:01,180 as a member of the UAP task force he believes that those allegations should be public information 134 00:15:01,180 --> 00:15:06,750 we're in a competition with their adversaries to understand this and it's a it's a multi-decade 135 00:15:06,750 --> 00:15:13,430 cold war that has been under our nose for so long and you know there is no good way 136 00:15:13,430 --> 00:15:17,759 to level the playing field and hold Other Nation States accountable if they're doing 137 00:15:17,759 --> 00:15:25,130 unethical or illicit activity as it relates to the subject and I think the obtuse secrecy 138 00:15:25,130 --> 00:15:31,910 is actually putting us in a very dangerous position where a country might make a breakthrough 139 00:15:31,910 --> 00:15:39,380 let's say we um it's an adversary of ours and it is so destabilizing the certain things 140 00:15:39,380 --> 00:15:44,769 that he thinks the public should not know and I respect that I completely understand 141 00:15:44,769 --> 00:15:49,720 that and I can understand to some degree why for many years especially during the Cold 142 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:56,480 War this was Kept Secret but but but what I do think is sorry let's I'll let you talk 143 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:03,670 I'm sorry no no uh I was just gonna say uh by way of vouching for all this I personally 144 00:16:03,670 --> 00:16:09,790 have sat and watched you interview Dave grush for I believe seven hours two separate events 145 00:16:09,790 --> 00:16:15,360 over seven hours and I have heard him say things in those interviews that you conducted 146 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:22,019 that exceed by a lot what's in the uh Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal story he obviously 147 00:16:22,019 --> 00:16:29,259 uh you know he spoke at at depth about certain things that I have to tell you I thought were 148 00:16:29,259 --> 00:16:35,470 shocking um not so much shocking in that I couldn't comprehend how they could be true 149 00:16:35,470 --> 00:16:40,709 but shocking in that somebody was actually saying them in a public forum on camera so 150 00:16:40,709 --> 00:16:48,190 one question I had for you is if even if he's followed this docsa process my question is 151 00:16:48,190 --> 00:16:55,940 is he still in any danger of being say arrested because uh obviously the reason he became 152 00:16:55,940 --> 00:17:01,089 this first whistleblower approved is that there's government legislation that came out 153 00:17:01,089 --> 00:17:10,160 of the defense authorization act so what risk was Dave grush taking by speaking for seven 154 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:19,670 hours to you on camera about some things that exceed just crash wreckage what's the deal 155 00:17:19,670 --> 00:17:25,580 I feel as an investigative journalist that the one thing that we always have to respect 156 00:17:25,580 --> 00:17:31,610 is the person who decides to come out from the shadows and speak publicly about what 157 00:17:31,610 --> 00:17:38,710 they perceive to be a wrong or an ill doing and exposing it publicly it is the most courageous 158 00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:44,880 thing that any Patriot any public servant can do and and sadly one of the great lessons 159 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:51,600 of Journalism is whistleblowers often get screwed they get treated really badly and 160 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:58,730 so in many ways Mr grush's best defense is to speak publicly and to get what he knows 161 00:17:58,730 --> 00:18:05,250 out there and to ensure that it's quickly publicly investigated and aggressively investigated 162 00:18:05,250 --> 00:18:10,500 so what he's doing is he's putting his cards on the table he's revealing what he knows 163 00:18:10,500 --> 00:18:15,059 and yes you're absolutely right my friend I'm aware of Leslie and Ralph's story and 164 00:18:15,059 --> 00:18:20,480 I know that what we have goes enormous amount further and the reason why Dave's done that 165 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:27,780 is because he wants you the public to know and moreover he wants you the public to tell 166 00:18:27,780 --> 00:18:32,789 your congressional representative and your Senators the president and anybody who's listening 167 00:18:32,789 --> 00:18:39,590 including the mainstream media that they need to make this a Forefront issue I beg this 168 00:18:39,590 --> 00:18:47,100 audience to get out there get the story on social media and back this person because 169 00:18:47,100 --> 00:18:51,450 the worst thing can that can happen is that somebody like he comes forward it's such a 170 00:18:51,450 --> 00:18:56,890 courageous act for a person to do this to come out from the shadows and speak about 171 00:18:56,890 --> 00:19:03,880 this the worst thing that can happen is if as I'm sad to say some in the mainstream media 172 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:10,179 have elected not to give him coverage and to ignore what he's got to say so it's incumbent 173 00:19:10,179 --> 00:19:16,160 on you everybody listening here you have power this is a really important moment in history 174 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:21,150 because what you can do is you can write to your Congressman your congresswoman your representatives 175 00:19:21,150 --> 00:19:27,950 and say I want this in a public hearing I want these Witnesses deposed because the key 176 00:19:27,950 --> 00:19:33,370 thing is one of the things that Dave reveals in the story that debrief is publishing is 177 00:19:33,370 --> 00:19:39,080 that there are witnesses who he has given evidence about who have also backed his evidence 178 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:44,510 in testimony in secret to the Inspector General of the intelligence Community those people 179 00:19:44,510 --> 00:19:49,549 have been deposed they have literally given evidence under oath and been questioned about 180 00:19:49,549 --> 00:19:56,960 what they know about the program about a crash retrieval operation now the Congress has not 181 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:03,100 heard the full story and one of the things that was frustrating the media's attempt to 182 00:20:03,100 --> 00:20:09,169 investigate what Dave grush was saying was that some of what he reveals is in fact so 183 00:20:09,169 --> 00:20:16,260 highly protected so highly compartmented that many congressional sources in Senators offices 184 00:20:16,260 --> 00:20:21,059 and Congressional Representatives Office were not able to corroborate that they'd even become 185 00:20:21,059 --> 00:20:27,600 aware of his information this is such protected information it has been kept from the public 186 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:35,280 I think improperly illegally and criminally criminal offenses have been committed very 187 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:42,690 grave criminal offenses and this leads investigation I think this is a bigger Scandal than Watergate 188 00:20:42,690 --> 00:20:49,679 or Iran Contra it is massive and there are people who will have to be criminally prosecuted 189 00:20:49,679 --> 00:20:55,820 for what they've been doing Terrible Things Bryce terrible things have been done in the 190 00:20:55,820 --> 00:21:02,159 name of National Security to protect this secret I want to come back to all of that 191 00:21:02,159 --> 00:21:09,020 it is um it it gives um some strength to what our friend The Departed Stanton Friedman uh 192 00:21:09,020 --> 00:21:16,059 called things he said it was a cosmic Watergate and uh it is a cosmic Watergate that actually 193 00:21:16,059 --> 00:21:21,640 buries the term Watergate I mean Watergate is going to look like small small potatoes 194 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:27,390 compared to what's about to come roaring down the the pike here now let me make a point 195 00:21:27,390 --> 00:21:32,580 of clarification and then we're going to go back into that that criminal aspect um you 196 00:21:32,580 --> 00:21:38,350 said Ross that the debrief is publishing this and I think that's a wise distinction they 197 00:21:38,350 --> 00:21:45,280 are acting as Publishers not reporters here and uh you may be too too nice a guy to toot 198 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:50,210 your own horn but I'm going to here I want everyone to understand something um you're 199 00:21:50,210 --> 00:21:56,200 about to you've already seen something written about Dave crush it was published in the debrief 200 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:03,470 but the reporters behind it are Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal who basically have allowed 201 00:22:03,470 --> 00:22:08,600 the debrief to publish their report but they are not part of the reporting and I say this 202 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:13,230 with no ill will toward the debrief because I have many friends there but that's the reality 203 00:22:13,230 --> 00:22:20,289 of it and in the same way news Nation will be acting as the vehicle to transmit your 204 00:22:20,289 --> 00:22:25,370 interview with Dave Crush but they did not report it either you are the reporter of it 205 00:22:25,370 --> 00:22:30,380 so when people want to get into who's responsible for this whether they want to give you blame 206 00:22:30,380 --> 00:22:38,230 or credit it is my pal Ross coltard here who I've literally heard about this for a year 207 00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:44,840 talking to you not by name but uh I've heard you chasing this story and I know that Leslie 208 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,450 and Ralph have chased it so my hat which I don't have on right now of course would be 209 00:22:49,450 --> 00:22:56,309 tipped to the three of you and I I appreciate that the publishing that has gone on uh both 210 00:22:56,309 --> 00:23:01,929 with news Nation on television and and the debrief but uh you guys are the reporters 211 00:23:01,929 --> 00:23:10,101 here now let's go back to this this issue that you just raised is the reason that there 212 00:23:10,101 --> 00:23:17,169 is reticence and pushback on just coming clean about this partially or completely in your 213 00:23:17,169 --> 00:23:24,210 view uh something that comes be comes about because there are crimes that have been committed 214 00:23:24,210 --> 00:23:29,070 to keep the secret and there are still living people who might face penalties for it is 215 00:23:29,070 --> 00:23:33,900 that what you're saying or suggesting yeah yeah I I think there are people who will go 216 00:23:33,900 --> 00:23:42,180 to jail if U.S law is heated I I really do I mean I'm I'm absolutely shocked by what's 217 00:23:42,180 --> 00:23:50,630 being revealed and frankly if what's revealed over the next week doesn't Force Congress 218 00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:57,360 and the mainstream media into an extremely aggressive investigation for the first time 219 00:23:57,360 --> 00:24:03,690 of this issue I'm talking about church commission style inquiries if that doesn't happen America 220 00:24:03,690 --> 00:24:09,640 might as well just declare itself an authoritarian regime and give up pretending to be a democracy 221 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:14,600 strong strong stuff Ross those are strong words no I'm really confronted about what 222 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:19,130 I'm aware of Bryson there's some stuff that I'm not publishing out of responsibility and 223 00:24:19,130 --> 00:24:24,250 you know National Security concerns and not all of it has come from David Crush I'm I'm 224 00:24:24,250 --> 00:24:31,659 really quite shocked uh in some cases I'm scared about what I'm aware of um one of the 225 00:24:31,659 --> 00:24:35,320 things I really want to emphasize my friend and I'm probably jumping the gun on this with 226 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:41,470 you but you can tell me off later I I think that the real story behind the Dave grush 227 00:24:41,470 --> 00:24:47,210 decision to go with the debrief is and the fact that I'm doing this on news nation which 228 00:24:47,210 --> 00:24:52,570 is a very new network a very aggressive and exciting new network but the fact that it's 229 00:24:52,570 --> 00:24:59,809 not going in the Washington Post or the New York Times or CBS ABC NBC is an indictment 230 00:24:59,809 --> 00:25:08,809 of mainstream investigative media this whole story The failure of the American Media to 231 00:25:08,809 --> 00:25:15,690 recognize that all this time this has been a real story it hasn't been a confabulation 232 00:25:15,690 --> 00:25:22,720 it hasn't been an invention or a wacky tinfall Hat story it's been reality to hear Dave grush 233 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:29,700 say as he does that he knows that there's been a deliberate disinformation campaign 234 00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:37,470 against the American people to keep this secret from them is in my book shocking and to hear 235 00:25:37,470 --> 00:25:44,070 the account that he gives of the crimes that have been committed serious crimes very very 236 00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:50,390 serious crimes and to know that media were approached in the making of this story by 237 00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:56,559 Leslie and Ralph to get this published in major newspapers and you know what they they 238 00:25:56,559 --> 00:26:03,049 didn't get a spine they failed they failed horribly to recognize the significance of 239 00:26:03,049 --> 00:26:08,730 this story and they allowed themselves to be led by their nose by people inside the 240 00:26:08,730 --> 00:26:14,039 Pentagon who are still trying to suppress this story and what I would say is God bless 241 00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:19,870 the good people inside the defense department and inside the intelligence Community who 242 00:26:19,870 --> 00:26:26,060 made the decision to back Dave grush and Leslie and Ralph and provided them with the secondary 243 00:26:26,060 --> 00:26:31,789 and tertiary corroboration that they needed because there is absolutely no question in 244 00:26:31,789 --> 00:26:37,430 this story that it is nailed down tight I've made stories with the New York Times And The 245 00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:42,450 Washington Post I've written stories that have been vetted by their editors I know how 246 00:26:42,450 --> 00:26:48,799 hard it is to get a story through those newspapers but by golly there is absolutely no doubt 247 00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:53,880 in my book that date Russia's story ought properly to be featured right now on the front 248 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:59,529 page of the New York Times and I am calling the New York Times And The Washington Post 249 00:26:59,529 --> 00:27:07,350 gutless cowards for their failure to follow this story up this is I I cannot believe how 250 00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:12,610 badly they have abrogated their responsibility as journalists what they've done is they've 251 00:27:12,610 --> 00:27:17,991 allowed themselves to be fed they've allowed themselves to be put on the nipple of the 252 00:27:17,991 --> 00:27:24,059 intelligence briefers that feed journalists stories and they've they've ignored deliberately 253 00:27:24,059 --> 00:27:31,029 they've chosen cravenly to ignore a real story that the American public is demanding to know 254 00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:37,990 about that Congress has mandated by legislation should be known about and they have contrived 255 00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:43,980 in the conspiracy to cover this up I think the the editors of the New York Times And 256 00:27:43,980 --> 00:27:49,679 The Washington Post and indeed many of the editors of mainstream newspapers around America 257 00:27:49,679 --> 00:27:55,409 ought to be taking a long hard look at themselves after this story because they have failed 258 00:27:55,409 --> 00:28:02,890 with a capital F this is a story of failure and I'm angry I'm really angry about this 259 00:28:02,890 --> 00:28:07,200 because knowing what I know and knowing what you know now Bryce what do you think I mean 260 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:12,560 I I'm sorry to turn the tables on you but as I sat there and heard what Dave Crush told 261 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:20,500 us and what has already been revealed in Leslie Kane's debrief article I got angrier and angrier 262 00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:26,250 it's just appalling that this has been kept secret uh well ditto to all of that it's kind 263 00:28:26,250 --> 00:28:32,059 of ironic you called them gutless cowards and I had written down here cowardly sissies 264 00:28:32,059 --> 00:28:36,549 so I guess we're thinking along the same lines I'm going to name the names one more time 265 00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:41,630 for people that didn't start uh institutions that didn't step up you got the New York Times 266 00:28:41,630 --> 00:28:47,779 you got the Washington Post but you also have the hill and Politico who um also did not 267 00:28:47,779 --> 00:28:53,450 step up and uh you know I can't feel very good about that I'm not just mad at the government 268 00:28:53,450 --> 00:28:58,370 although I am and by the way one of the things you're going to learn in Ross's reporting 269 00:28:58,370 --> 00:29:03,530 is that it's a 90-year cover-up not the one that we've been saying might be 80. it's a 270 00:29:03,530 --> 00:29:10,890 90 plus year cover-up I'm angry at the government for not being able to level with the people 271 00:29:10,890 --> 00:29:14,840 about this I don't know what the ultimate truth is whether it's good bad or indifferent 272 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:20,000 but I know that we should have it by now for sure but I'm also upset as you are and angry 273 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:27,470 and and pissed off that that actual parts of Legacy Media and even New Media uh got 274 00:29:27,470 --> 00:29:35,649 nervous when presented with this article that Kane and Blumenthal had had written and couldn't 275 00:29:35,649 --> 00:29:41,850 bring themselves to get it out there so I'm not happy definitely not happy now can I say 276 00:29:41,850 --> 00:29:47,130 one thing I'm really happy about and I I'm not just saying this to be nice I want to 277 00:29:47,130 --> 00:29:54,180 pay credit to news nation and indeed the debrief for having the balls to run this story they 278 00:29:54,180 --> 00:30:00,940 made a they've made a courageous decision as fairly small New Media companies to take 279 00:30:00,940 --> 00:30:06,910 on the National Security establishment and and that's courageous I mean it's funny I 280 00:30:06,910 --> 00:30:13,380 I I uh I was thinking earlier on this week Bryce about a guy I really respect and admire 281 00:30:13,380 --> 00:30:18,970 Daniel Ellsberg the guy who leaked the Pentagon papers and I was thinking what would happen 282 00:30:18,970 --> 00:30:24,890 if today Daniel Ellsberg walked into the offices of the Washington Post with the Pentagon papers 283 00:30:24,890 --> 00:30:30,280 that for anybody out there who doesn't know they they reveal the failure of U.S strategic 284 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:35,140 policy in Vietnam which had been kept and suppressed and kept secret from the American 285 00:30:35,140 --> 00:30:40,460 public for no good reason and the Washington Post agonized for weeks about whether to rust 286 00:30:40,460 --> 00:30:44,590 then they made the courageous decision despite the fact that they were National Security 287 00:30:44,590 --> 00:30:50,600 documents to run them and you know what I don't think they would run it today I really 288 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:56,710 don't and and I think that what this story signifies isn't just a Tipping Point in disclosure 289 00:30:56,710 --> 00:31:03,260 it also signifies a Tipping Point in the relevance the growing relevance of podcasts podcasts 290 00:31:03,260 --> 00:31:08,190 like ours New Media that the Pentagon and the intelligence Community cannot suppress 291 00:31:08,190 --> 00:31:13,850 they might try and stomp on them and try and buy them off by offering them stories and 292 00:31:13,850 --> 00:31:18,799 giving them access to information that other places don't get But ultimately what's really 293 00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:24,789 interesting here is the success of new organizations like news nation and the debrief which are 294 00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:31,570 breaking stories that frankly the mainstream media the Legacy Media have completely abrogated 295 00:31:31,570 --> 00:31:38,080 and failed to cover it possibly could be that this Legacy Media or the mainstream media 296 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,213 whatever we want to call them maybe they feel like they have too much to lose and they don't 297 00:31:41,213 --> 00:31:46,669 want to be first that's why it was surprising in 2017 that the New York Times published 298 00:31:46,669 --> 00:31:53,390 the original k and Blumenthal and Helen Thomas article and was it Helen Thomas is that they'll 299 00:31:53,390 --> 00:31:58,210 have that headline cooper cooper excuse me Helen Thomas another reporter out of Washington 300 00:31:58,210 --> 00:32:02,900 in years past listen you brought up Daniel Ellsberg uh just today there is an article 301 00:32:02,900 --> 00:32:09,029 out in Politico that is titled Daniel Ellsberg is dying and he has some final things to say 302 00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:17,049 um Daniel Ellsberg was possibly the most significant whistleblower in U.S history he's the guy 303 00:32:17,049 --> 00:32:21,980 that got the Pentagon papers uh published and this is what he said in that interview 304 00:32:21,980 --> 00:32:27,100 he's talking about the value of whistleblowers and he said when everything is at sake excuse 305 00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:31,670 me when everything is at stake I'm talking about nuclear war implicitly here but climate 306 00:32:31,670 --> 00:32:36,559 is the same when we're facing a pretty ultimate catastrophe when we're on the edge of blowing 307 00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:42,279 up the world over Crimea or Taiwan or Bak moot from the point of view of the civilization 308 00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:47,029 and the survival of eight or nine billion people when everything is at stake can it 309 00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:52,279 be worth even a small chance of having a small effect by being a whistleblower and the answer 310 00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:58,880 is of course of course it can be worth that you can even say it's obligatory so let's 311 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:06,960 just uh let's tip to Daniel Ellsberg and the great contribution he made and and I wish 312 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:12,399 more people will look at that and see how it was done and and try to bring it to this 313 00:33:12,399 --> 00:33:21,620 I do want to get back on track on on our interview or your interview rather with um Dave Crush 314 00:33:21,620 --> 00:33:27,649 when I watched it uh being recorded and then later as it was cut into various things I 315 00:33:27,649 --> 00:33:32,429 thought wow he is definitely saying some outrageous things and when people Hear It They'll they'll 316 00:33:32,429 --> 00:33:36,769 hear them uh but there were some things uh that he said off camera as well that were 317 00:33:36,769 --> 00:33:43,440 kind of outrageous um but he also said and you were very diligent in pressing him on 318 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:49,279 certain of these issues and he said many times that there were places where he literally 319 00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:54,740 could not say but he had delivered all the relevant material to the proper committees 320 00:33:54,740 --> 00:34:00,350 all right he said that many times and I think he was talking about the fact that as I understand 321 00:34:00,350 --> 00:34:06,470 it he has spoken uh under oath in classified hearings to the Senate intelligence committee 322 00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:11,470 and I believe even a house committee where he has told not only the story he told you 323 00:34:11,470 --> 00:34:21,700 in those six to seven hours but all the stuff about locations people names of projects Etc 324 00:34:21,700 --> 00:34:27,101 where he has laid those details out and told the Senate and the house hey folks if you 325 00:34:27,101 --> 00:34:31,510 really want to get kick the Rocks over and find out what's underneath this is where you 326 00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:41,579 go has Dave grush offered up a credible road map then to the American government for how 327 00:34:41,579 --> 00:34:50,980 to get out of this yes good moving on no seriously uh am I right about that that he's spoken 328 00:34:50,980 --> 00:35:00,190 uh under oath for over 11 hours to Congress correct I mean if you think about that i i 329 00:35:00,190 --> 00:35:06,869 i with him naming specifics of all the things that he he was very proper about it's almost 330 00:35:06,869 --> 00:35:11,160 like there was a line given him with this dopsa review and he knew he could go up to 331 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,790 there but he wasn't supposed to go there that part is he knows much more than he's told 332 00:35:15,790 --> 00:35:22,760 us absolutely so when people watch these interviews as they roll out over the next uh a few days 333 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:30,260 and and frankly probably over weeks I want everyone to understand that he is also stating 334 00:35:30,260 --> 00:35:35,940 that he has given the details about where what these reverse engineering programs are 335 00:35:35,940 --> 00:35:42,200 crash retrieval programs are and he's told names and dates and and all the stuff that 336 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:48,660 Congress would need if they really wanted to go look into this in a serious way so um 337 00:35:48,660 --> 00:35:54,030 I I think we are at an inflection point and and Dave grush is probably going to go down 338 00:35:54,030 --> 00:35:59,250 in history as someone who will help Usher it in I mean so let me just ask you this where 339 00:35:59,250 --> 00:36:04,520 do you see Dave brush fitting into the grand story of disclosure that admittedly has been 340 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:11,740 going on since at least 1947. okay Dave is not a direct witness he has not touched a 341 00:36:11,740 --> 00:36:20,190 flying saucer or been inside the program but he's done the next best thing what he's done 342 00:36:20,190 --> 00:36:27,420 is he's found the documents the photographs and the people who do and they have given 343 00:36:27,420 --> 00:36:33,869 their evidence under oath particularly to the Inspector General of the intelligence 344 00:36:33,869 --> 00:36:39,700 Community who found his allegations to be urgent and credible and because of that they 345 00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:44,300 were referred on to the oversight Committees of the Congress including the Senate intelligence 346 00:36:44,300 --> 00:36:48,210 committee one of the most powerful committees in the Congress and the house intelligence 347 00:36:48,210 --> 00:36:56,940 committee and I know that a large number of the congressmen and Senators perhaps didn't 348 00:36:56,940 --> 00:37:04,250 attend the hearings but to cover themselves they sent their counsel their lawyers to observe 349 00:37:04,250 --> 00:37:09,530 and Senior staffers who had security clearances and it's interesting because I think what's 350 00:37:09,530 --> 00:37:17,910 Happening Here is there's been a very very careful attempt by the uh politicians to keep 351 00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:23,410 themselves at a careful distance because I think what's happening now is the Congress 352 00:37:23,410 --> 00:37:28,470 really doesn't know what to do about Dave grush's evidence he's wrong-footed them he's 353 00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:35,050 come forward and said I know all about the program this is where the craft are these 354 00:37:35,050 --> 00:37:39,290 are the people you need to talk to these are the code names of the various programs that 355 00:37:39,290 --> 00:37:43,630 are secreted inside special access programs inside the defense department these are the 356 00:37:43,630 --> 00:37:48,880 people responsible in the defense department this is the aerospace companies that are involved 357 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:56,160 he's given them chapter and verse now what I'm really worried about is Congress needs 358 00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:04,000 to show a spine yeah they need to develop a new set of balls and start investigating 359 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,800 this issue properly and I think the only way to do this now is to bring it out into the 360 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:15,770 public because I don't think the politicians can be trusted to do this in QT I don't think 361 00:38:15,770 --> 00:38:20,690 they're going to do it if unless they're forced by the public and particularly by mainstream 362 00:38:20,690 --> 00:38:26,920 media pressure so what's really interesting here is until my interview became probably 363 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:31,410 I don't think the intelligence Community knew that I'd done an interview with Dave grush 364 00:38:31,410 --> 00:38:38,650 until this morning we've kept it very very secret Dave came to speak to us in absolute 365 00:38:38,650 --> 00:38:45,290 secrecy and news Nation put on a deserted Warehouse with high security and we made very 366 00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:51,430 very sure that the people that attended kept their Mars shut and I think I'm hoping that 367 00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:56,770 the intelligence Community is wrong-footed and surprised because I think there are certain 368 00:38:56,770 --> 00:39:02,170 people in the defense department who think great we shut down the New York Times we managed 369 00:39:02,170 --> 00:39:07,890 to hose Down The Washington Post Politico the hill and you know who who cares they might 370 00:39:07,890 --> 00:39:12,030 take the Arrogant view who cares about the debriefs I've got huge respect for the debrief 371 00:39:12,030 --> 00:39:17,420 but it's not a mainstream newspaper they may think that they can marginalize it inside 372 00:39:17,420 --> 00:39:24,940 the the world of UAP research this is where you the public become important this is where 373 00:39:24,940 --> 00:39:29,881 citizen journalism can really help this is where people need to start writing to their 374 00:39:29,881 --> 00:39:36,820 Congress person and saying I care about this issue I want an inquiry right to the New York 375 00:39:36,820 --> 00:39:42,750 Times demand to know why they wouldn't cover this story why is their National Security 376 00:39:42,750 --> 00:39:48,359 reporters being bought off with cozy little drops about the Ukraine you know I'm sorry 377 00:39:48,359 --> 00:39:52,711 I've been there I've done that I've seen how it works I know what intelligence Community 378 00:39:52,711 --> 00:39:57,690 people do they buy off a reporter by giving them stories and this is what they've done 379 00:39:57,690 --> 00:40:02,150 with the big mainstream payments the editors have made the Judgment that it's too dangerous 380 00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:07,110 to run the story otherwise they're going to get cut off the drip and this is the biggest 381 00:40:07,110 --> 00:40:15,040 story ever I mean seriously if what Dave grush is saying is true we are talking about one 382 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:21,369 of the top intelligence officials in the U.S government a guy who used to hand deliver 383 00:40:21,369 --> 00:40:27,339 intelligence briefings the daily intelligence briefing to The West Wing of the White House 384 00:40:27,339 --> 00:40:32,500 he was the guy that did it we're talking about one of those top officials cleared for over 385 00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:40,290 2 000 special access programs coming forward and saying non-human intelligence is real 386 00:40:40,290 --> 00:40:47,980 and moreover the US has been concealing the existence of retrieved non-human alien technology 387 00:40:47,980 --> 00:40:57,619 for decades it's breathtaking breathtaking I mean again congratulations to you for doing 388 00:40:57,619 --> 00:41:03,319 this the old-fashioned way as a journalist who cultivates sources who doesn't blow the 389 00:41:03,319 --> 00:41:08,970 sources uh and and works the story but I just want to highlight one thing you said here 390 00:41:08,970 --> 00:41:16,050 because I believe it needs to be said twice the icig stands for the intelligence Community 391 00:41:16,050 --> 00:41:24,300 Inspector General the icig right and as Ross said after Dave grush spoke to them at that 392 00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:31,560 office uh they put in their uh cover letter I believe to the Congress that his comments 393 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:39,839 were quote urgent and credible now inspector generals don't just throw words around for 394 00:41:39,839 --> 00:41:47,190 no good reason urgent and credible so I believe that we should take that the inspector General 395 00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:52,869 at its word and say this is an urgent case the reason Dave grush has come forward is 396 00:41:52,869 --> 00:41:59,550 that there is an urgency to grappling with this issue he knows a bit about that and credible 397 00:41:59,550 --> 00:42:05,490 that's a comment on not only what Dave is saying but Dave himself so um and again as 398 00:42:05,490 --> 00:42:12,740 I said I sat uh thanks to Ross I sat and got to know this guy a little bit and I will tell 399 00:42:12,740 --> 00:42:20,970 you he strikes me as incredibly credible and the story he tells as incredibly urgent so 400 00:42:20,970 --> 00:42:27,640 uh and and for example I you have stated several times non-human intelligence which is of course 401 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:33,430 nhi is sort of the new way to talk about it and and I I buy into that I mean we don't 402 00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:38,190 as he states he he doesn't want to talk about origin because they're not entirely sure of 403 00:42:38,190 --> 00:42:43,619 that about that so alien in everybody's mind is well they come from out there well there 404 00:42:43,619 --> 00:42:49,079 may be other explanations so no but but it is clear that this is non-human intelligence 405 00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:57,319 but he has also used the plural right he has used the plural phrase non-human intelligences 406 00:42:57,319 --> 00:43:03,000 and that means there's more than one out there and that also is a pretty huge headline to 407 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:12,261 me more on that in my interview on news Nation coming up yeah so why don't we uh yeah I don't 408 00:43:12,261 --> 00:43:16,460 want this to be a giant tease because I'm looking forward to the world seeing you talk 409 00:43:16,460 --> 00:43:24,000 to this guy can I have one serve on the way out bro but you can I don't mean to be unkind 410 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:29,300 but I think people particularly those in the mainstream media who are looking for an angle 411 00:43:29,300 --> 00:43:35,010 they need to go back and look at the testimony of Dr Sean Kirkpatrick to the Congress he 412 00:43:35,010 --> 00:43:40,080 told senator gillibrand in evidence not that long ago only a few weeks ago that there was 413 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:46,099 no credible evidence to support contentions that there's evidence of extraterrestrial 414 00:43:46,099 --> 00:43:52,490 life visiting this planet that Mr grush is quite clear that he's not saying it's necessarily 415 00:43:52,490 --> 00:43:57,619 extraterrestrial he has various theories about that you'll hear more about that on the news 416 00:43:57,619 --> 00:44:05,040 Nation story but what he is clear about is that he does not think that Dr Sean Kirkpatrick 417 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:13,500 gave a truthful and accurate record to Congress and indeed he believes that Dr Sean Kirkpatrick 418 00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:19,710 knows most of what he's revealing in his interview with both Ralph and Leslie and particularly 419 00:44:19,710 --> 00:44:26,680 in his interview with me and I think the American public the world needs to ask why did the 420 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:33,750 U.S defense department put a bureaucrat a scientist in a position who appears willing 421 00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:39,430 to either unwittingly or knowingly mislead Congress and what Senator gilibrand going 422 00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:45,210 to do about the fact that she has so clearly been misled in evidence that was publicly 423 00:44:45,210 --> 00:44:52,050 televised before the Congress was Senator gillibrand a conspirator in the conspiracy 424 00:44:52,050 --> 00:44:57,839 to mislead the American public I'm not saying she was but I think people should be asking 425 00:44:57,839 --> 00:45:03,200 that question I think she needs to clarify whether she knows about what Mr grush has 426 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,800 told the Congress and whether or not she's going to do anything about it because now 427 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:14,080 you have elected officials and very senior publicly appointed bureaucrats being told 428 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:24,990 things in open public hearing that I know for a fact a complete lies I look forward 429 00:45:24,990 --> 00:45:36,599 to seeing how Legacy Media responds to this story and whether they will apply the same 430 00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:42,630 level of urgency that they applied to chasing congressmen and Senators down hallways to 431 00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:50,420 ask them about the debt limit will the will they apply that same interest to this story 432 00:45:50,420 --> 00:45:55,210 and and honestly at this point I think it's big enough that it could overcome that but 433 00:45:55,210 --> 00:46:01,590 so far I've been let down nobody seems to be addressing it I'm not holding my breath 434 00:46:01,590 --> 00:46:06,319 I reckon they're going to try and whitewash it and ignore it I I do too but I do think 435 00:46:06,319 --> 00:46:11,700 um that Dave grush takes us to that that the the you know the two roads and which one are 436 00:46:11,700 --> 00:46:16,930 you going to take because at this point it's clear you either have to double down on secrecy 437 00:46:16,930 --> 00:46:22,460 and find Innovative new ways to try to put this back in the box or they're going to have 438 00:46:22,460 --> 00:46:28,160 to move forward with some new kind of transparency because I don't think you can just put Dave 439 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,770 grush out there for who he is and know that there are other whistleblowers behind him 440 00:46:32,770 --> 00:46:37,230 who have also talked to Congress and who are about to come forward I don't know how you 441 00:46:37,230 --> 00:46:42,710 can keep putting that in a box so yeah we'll find out I I I absolutely agree with you and 442 00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:48,050 just to emphasize Dave brush is just the beginning yeah there are there are people inside the 443 00:46:48,050 --> 00:46:53,400 program and I know because I'm talking to them who want to come forward and who are 444 00:46:53,400 --> 00:47:00,309 waiting to see how Congress and the American Media treat people who come forward with Revelations 445 00:47:00,309 --> 00:47:06,210 of criminality and wrongdoing at the highest level of the US government is the US government 446 00:47:06,210 --> 00:47:15,110 still a functioning democracy will it allow itself to to expose the wrongdoing that lies 447 00:47:15,110 --> 00:47:22,240 behind the concealment of the crash retrieval program why has an illegal disinformation 448 00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:29,440 operation which was essentially banned by the church commission inquiry after the CIA 449 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:35,089 Revelations of illegal intelligence operations against Jewish citizens in the 1970s why has 450 00:47:35,089 --> 00:47:41,890 an illegal intelligence operation to disinform the American public and the world being run 451 00:47:41,890 --> 00:47:47,000 for so long by different intelligence agencies and why have people tolerated this inside 452 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:52,440 the US government and why aren't congressmen congresswomen and Senators asking questions 453 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:58,110 about this they know about it I know they know about it I know that there are very senior 454 00:47:58,110 --> 00:48:04,000 people in the gang of eight who are very well aware of the day brush allegations why are 455 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:09,900 they sitting on this information and moreover why aren't the National Security reporters 456 00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:15,020 for all of the major TV networks and all all of the major newspapers not being tasked by 457 00:48:15,020 --> 00:48:20,859 their editors to get out there and start banging down the doors and cracking the story because 458 00:48:20,859 --> 00:48:26,900 the great newspapers that I love and admire the Washington Post and the New York Times 459 00:48:26,900 --> 00:48:31,760 they need to understand they've failed so far on this story and they need to get out 460 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:37,079 there and and prove that they can still do it this is a really important moment for the 461 00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:43,280 American public and for the world there are Technologies there are discoveries there are 462 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:48,300 scientific advancements that can be developed as a result of the exposure of what the American 463 00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:53,440 government knows and I know because there are scientists that are talking to me who 464 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:59,880 are bitterly frustrated that has been kept secret because the secrecy they say has frustrated 465 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:07,520 advancements that could help all of humanity right it's true Bryce it's true I I remember 466 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:13,940 some of our phone calls uh in the early days of this and just hanging up and thinking okay 467 00:49:13,940 --> 00:49:20,900 well we're into a new world now um and and clearly you know we talked before we went 468 00:49:20,900 --> 00:49:26,339 on whether we wanted to talk about this NASA news conference uh that they had I almost 469 00:49:26,339 --> 00:49:29,930 don't want to talk about it right now but I will if you want to make a few final comments 470 00:49:29,930 --> 00:49:35,380 but then we should come back and and um and close on the Dave Crush story actually I just 471 00:49:35,380 --> 00:49:40,720 realized that the comments that uh Kirkpatrick made about um the lack of any credible evidence 472 00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:45,960 for et life where actually made at the NASA news conference and uh you know I'm sorry 473 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:51,970 let's call it what it is it's a deliberate coverer it's a lie now I don't know who's 474 00:49:51,970 --> 00:49:57,680 lying I don't know whether he's being disinformed or misinformed but somebody very high up is 475 00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:04,930 lying they think they can continue to mislead and disinform the American public and frankly 476 00:50:04,930 --> 00:50:10,829 you know what they probably can if the American public don't start rattling the cage I am 477 00:50:10,829 --> 00:50:17,780 amazed how easily the American public are distracted these days by social media nonsense 478 00:50:17,780 --> 00:50:23,329 and by stories that frankly don't matter this is a story that matters this is a story that 479 00:50:23,329 --> 00:50:29,040 could revolutionize our understanding of human history and our ability to make technological 480 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:35,180 breakthroughs that could transform human society and frankly there's no good reason for the 481 00:50:35,180 --> 00:50:42,950 continued secrecy it's time this story was told right I I you know I'll just give a quick 482 00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:47,920 take on the uh NASA thing watching it there were some moments where I thought well these 483 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:53,530 people you know this person gets it this person gets it but a lot of they don't get it or 484 00:50:53,530 --> 00:50:58,460 they're all they're all not addressing it directly talking about Sean Kirkpatrick for 485 00:50:58,460 --> 00:51:03,940 example he actually said well we have 50 to 100 ish new reports each month that's very 486 00:51:03,940 --> 00:51:10,910 precise a hundred ish uh new reports each month and that's at the uh Aero office but 487 00:51:10,910 --> 00:51:15,309 he said the number of those sightings which are quote possibly really anomalous end quote 488 00:51:15,309 --> 00:51:20,250 are two to five percent of the total database well instead of talking about well gosh there's 489 00:51:20,250 --> 00:51:25,010 only five percent that are anomalous so really nothing to see here they should be focusing 490 00:51:25,010 --> 00:51:29,140 on those five percent because we we don't care about the ones that are being identified 491 00:51:29,140 --> 00:51:34,200 we want to know what is going on with the anomalous ones and then you know again this 492 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:41,069 is kind of ironic because um I've already attacked Senator Kelly for his some obtuse 493 00:51:41,069 --> 00:51:48,630 comments about UAP in past episodes but Scott Kelly uh was on this uh this panel for NASA 494 00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:54,690 it's Decades of the experience but what did he choose to make as his big statement he 495 00:51:54,690 --> 00:52:00,240 told the story about how he and a co-pilot were near Virginia Beach and they were convinced 496 00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:05,220 that they had flown by a UFO and Kelly said I didn't see it we turned around and we went 497 00:52:05,220 --> 00:52:10,319 to look at it turns out it was Bart Simpson a balloon which of course got some polite 498 00:52:10,319 --> 00:52:16,640 laughter and and all that and again please guys that's not helpful we're not interested 499 00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:21,540 in the ones that look like Bart Simpson we want you looking into the ones that are truly 500 00:52:21,540 --> 00:52:28,040 anomalous and we want some answers and I think that 10 times more than I did before I met 501 00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:34,079 Dave Crush Dave rush to me as again as I said he's not only super credible to me having 502 00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:39,780 met him but he's super credible to the Inspector General so you know this is what we should 503 00:52:39,780 --> 00:52:45,770 be digging into right now and I look forward to that potentially happening so Ross let's 504 00:52:45,770 --> 00:52:50,540 take a moment for some last comments here you go my friend okay there's one thing I 505 00:52:50,540 --> 00:52:55,329 want to point out about the NASA event that I think is really special now as you know 506 00:52:55,329 --> 00:53:00,109 I've copped a fair bollocking online from people who were very very skeptical about 507 00:53:00,109 --> 00:53:08,079 my friend Jim marlin from Texas who has a mysterious metallic sphere okay now I note 508 00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:14,839 with great fun that Dr Sean Kirkpatrick admitted that one of the most interesting observations 509 00:53:14,839 --> 00:53:20,990 is that there are genuine anomalies with metallic spheres that have been seen all over the world 510 00:53:20,990 --> 00:53:28,299 doing unusual maneuvers now I'll just leave you with this thought if the U.S government 511 00:53:28,299 --> 00:53:35,710 doesn't know a great deal about these objects Howard bloody hell does Sean Kirkpatrick know 512 00:53:35,710 --> 00:53:44,329 that these spheres are metallic how does he know that a point more than I'm letting on 513 00:53:44,329 --> 00:53:49,690 and I know they know a lot more than they're telling the American public why did he say 514 00:53:49,690 --> 00:53:56,450 they were metallic funny that hmm well I'll tell you in honor of that that's why I put 515 00:53:56,450 --> 00:53:57,450 a Metallica 516 00:53:57,450 --> 00:54:07,790 mine if if actually I was just saying if if mind starts to levitate break here but that 517 00:54:07,790 --> 00:54:15,380 is not one of the alien or or anomalous metallic balls however though I have to say that was 518 00:54:15,380 --> 00:54:20,470 for me kind of an interesting thing to come out of this because people are very interested 519 00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:24,720 in this you actually have spoken to people who have encountered these things and actually 520 00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:29,541 have them rolling around in their houses right now and then we've admitted that they're all 521 00:54:29,541 --> 00:54:34,410 over the world so I don't think we're going to be laughing about metallic balls much longer 522 00:54:34,410 --> 00:54:39,990 because some of them were reported apparently going twice the speed of sound uh or even 523 00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:44,330 hovering how how does the metallic ball do that I mean who's got that Tech right now 524 00:54:44,330 --> 00:54:49,430 I'm not really sure that anybody here on Earth does have it so yeah I think there's a lot 525 00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:54,090 of I think I what I hope my friend is that after the revelations in Leslie and Ralph's 526 00:54:54,090 --> 00:55:00,010 story today and the coming Revelations on news nation that I'm putting in my interview 527 00:55:00,010 --> 00:55:05,369 with Dave brush the exclusive television interview with Mr grush I'm hoping there will be many 528 00:55:05,369 --> 00:55:10,660 many questions that the mainstream media and representatives of the Congress will start 529 00:55:10,660 --> 00:55:15,849 putting to the defense department and the intelligence community and frankly the president 530 00:55:15,849 --> 00:55:20,750 needs to be asked as well it's it's I mean I I was shocked recently I tweeted about the 531 00:55:20,750 --> 00:55:26,110 fact that it was quite obvious that Joe Biden was being fed questions that were pre-prepared 532 00:55:26,110 --> 00:55:34,309 by the media just to what extent is the U.S media collaborating in making things comfortable 533 00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:40,060 for the executive arm of government my job as a journalist is to make governments uncomfortable 534 00:55:40,060 --> 00:55:46,599 and to ask uncomfortable questions and the whole issue of alleged crash retrievals non-human 535 00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:51,440 intelligence is an uncomfortable issue but I can tell you after this week the public 536 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:58,829 will know definitively that there has been an active deliberate real disinformation program 537 00:55:58,829 --> 00:56:04,079 run against the American public which I believe is a criminal breach of undertakings that 538 00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:09,290 were given in the wake of the church commission investigations into the cia's illegal activities 539 00:56:09,290 --> 00:56:16,319 in the 1970s and that's just the tip of the iceberg there is there is so much more to 540 00:56:16,319 --> 00:56:23,849 come I am shocked by what I now know and it's not just from Dave grush if they tried to 541 00:56:23,849 --> 00:56:31,280 neutralize Mr grush don't worry there's far more to come and and that's an excellent concluding 542 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:36,970 statement I got a little housekeeping to do here um just so everyone understands there 543 00:56:36,970 --> 00:56:43,080 was an article written by Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal and uh Ross here is uh the 544 00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:49,010 interviewer and the journalist behind what is going to be on uh news Nation sometime 545 00:56:49,010 --> 00:56:55,210 in the next week and I believe their show will be about an hour and so Ross interviewing 546 00:56:55,210 --> 00:57:00,810 this uh gentleman Dave grush is part of that hour but uh the amount of time that Dave is 547 00:57:00,810 --> 00:57:05,690 on the air compared to the amount of time he talked is small so I just want you to know 548 00:57:05,690 --> 00:57:10,700 there are uh Ross and I particularly Ross we're committed to trying to get the full 549 00:57:10,700 --> 00:57:16,589 interview out in one way or another because I think people deserve to see Dave grush at 550 00:57:16,589 --> 00:57:21,270 length look him in the eye and see what they think about the guy do they think he's telling 551 00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:25,530 the truth I do when I watch him but it'll be interesting to see what other people do 552 00:57:25,530 --> 00:57:33,299 um so again there's that need to know raw tape that is part of the news Nation coverage 553 00:57:33,299 --> 00:57:38,180 hopefully that will find a full light of day soon and then there was also an interview 554 00:57:38,180 --> 00:57:44,930 that we did literally here in my house with Dave Crush uh that went on for three hours 555 00:57:44,930 --> 00:57:50,000 Ross conducted that interview and at some way uh we're going to put that out too so 556 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:55,329 that people can see Dave and judge for themselves and when you start to see these things come 557 00:57:55,329 --> 00:58:01,580 out think about this there are questions he answers um do they have bodies uh have people 558 00:58:01,580 --> 00:58:08,619 been killed by contact with UFOs have people been killed because of the cover-up these 559 00:58:08,619 --> 00:58:15,060 are questions he actually steps up and puts answers to and I can't wait uh for people 560 00:58:15,060 --> 00:58:21,170 to see what I have seen and what Ross has discovered so I I close my part here by just 561 00:58:21,170 --> 00:58:29,580 saying strong uh Thumbs Up To You Ross what you've done is extraordinary I'm proud of 562 00:58:29,580 --> 00:58:37,211 Leslie and Ralph for staying in the game and following up their 2017 article and uh we 563 00:58:37,211 --> 00:58:44,589 are in A Brave New World yeah and full marks to Dave Crush The Whistleblower yes the courage 564 00:58:44,589 --> 00:58:51,440 to come forward a very courageous man and as you pointed out a patriot and someone who 565 00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:58,369 deserves to be in the history books Mordecai that was UFO whistleblower David grush revealing 566 00:58:58,369 --> 00:59:02,760 in a news Nation exclusive that he believes the government has been covering up the existence 567 00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:10,730 of alien life but can he be believed let's bring in Bryce zabel he's a writer producer 568 00:59:10,730 --> 00:59:16,430 investigative journalist covers UFOs actually does a podcast with the guy doing the interview 569 00:59:16,430 --> 00:59:21,900 with grush uh Bryce good to have you on the show thank you thank you for having me and 570 00:59:21,900 --> 00:59:27,040 you know I I really want to call out how great I thought your introduction was because it's 571 00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:31,500 not about Little Green Men anymore it's not about just lights in the sky but you're proving 572 00:59:31,500 --> 00:59:36,210 right now with this coverage that news nation is doing and yourself uh Chris is that the 573 00:59:36,210 --> 00:59:40,710 stigma for this whole topic needs to go away we need to take it on like any other story 574 00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:46,240 and and get to the bottom of it yeah I mean the part that is I find unacceptable is if 575 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:52,750 they have something that proves or disproves this they should tell us because I I just 576 00:59:52,750 --> 00:59:55,849 think it's malfeasance I don't even think it's misfeasons I don't think it's simple 577 00:59:55,849 --> 01:00:00,470 negligence I don't even think it's discretion they are intentionally doing something that 578 01:00:00,470 --> 01:00:06,319 has three quarters of the population interested and if they could debunk that they should 579 01:00:06,319 --> 01:00:11,289 that's transparency now uh let's do our own practice of it here sure uh what do you know 580 01:00:11,289 --> 01:00:16,920 about grush and why should we trust them well I know about grush because my partner in that 581 01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:21,160 podcast Ross coltarth the man who's doing the interview is someone I've been in contact 582 01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:25,880 with obviously on a lot of these issues and a lot of the sources that he's had over uh 583 01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:30,480 the time that we've known each other so I've I've seen the grush story coming I did spend 584 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:36,670 a couple of days with Dave grush in May uh the day before you guys actually taped the 585 01:00:36,670 --> 01:00:42,349 news Nation interview and I was there for the news Nation interview and um I I think 586 01:00:42,349 --> 01:00:47,460 Rush is the real deal and I I look forward to people putting as much attention on checking 587 01:00:47,460 --> 01:00:53,440 him out as they can because I think he checks out wasn't fired uh doesn't have beef that 588 01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:59,270 we know about the government hasn't come forward and said he was fired or has beef and in fact 589 01:00:59,270 --> 01:01:06,849 he is telling us the truth as far as we know about going to DOD for pre-publication clearance 590 01:01:06,849 --> 01:01:12,069 and he was told not to talk about certain things is that your understanding as well 591 01:01:12,069 --> 01:01:15,850 well that's what the it's called the dopsa document it and it basically allows him to 592 01:01:15,850 --> 01:01:21,450 talk about certain things now it's a dangerous game for a person uh like Dave Crush because 593 01:01:21,450 --> 01:01:26,190 that puts a line there and he has to as he's answering questions for Ross or yourself in 594 01:01:26,190 --> 01:01:31,720 the future he has to wonder whether he's going over that line or not so he's got uh you know 595 01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:36,300 he's he's obviously being watched by the government to make sure that he stays on the right side 596 01:01:36,300 --> 01:01:40,470 of what they're allowing him to talk about but I think it is pretty wild that the the 597 01:01:40,470 --> 01:01:45,619 government has said you know go ahead Dave tell your story and that's exactly what he's 598 01:01:45,619 --> 01:01:49,819 doing and it's interesting I just I'm not sure people even understand this in addition 599 01:01:49,819 --> 01:01:54,859 to all the credentials this guy has he actually worked on the presidential Daily Briefing 600 01:01:54,859 --> 01:01:59,890 he was one of the guys trusted to literally walk that briefing over to the White House 601 01:01:59,890 --> 01:02:05,079 you know this is not some guy who you know worked in the government 30 years ago who's 602 01:02:05,079 --> 01:02:11,230 coming forward with a YouTube video this is a guy who was deeply involved in the intelligence 603 01:02:11,230 --> 01:02:16,420 community of the U.S government up until April of this year and he's telling a story that 604 01:02:16,420 --> 01:02:21,349 as you've pointed out is pretty radical and yet there's a lot of uh reason to believe 605 01:02:21,349 --> 01:02:26,880 that it's true now another contextual tool is corroboration uh you're saying separate 606 01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:32,490 from the guy what he is talking about are things you have heard from other sources that 607 01:02:32,490 --> 01:02:39,779 are not gross related absolutely um listen I I started as a screenwriter looking into 608 01:02:39,779 --> 01:02:45,859 UFOs uh and and so I did a lot of research on it and I I've heard most of the things 609 01:02:45,859 --> 01:02:50,329 that he's talking about and I've seen people talk about it I've read about them so you 610 01:02:50,329 --> 01:02:54,299 can actually think about this as a secret that's been in plain sight for quite a while 611 01:02:54,299 --> 01:03:00,279 uh what's different is that we actually have a Insider with the Merit and with the credentials 612 01:03:00,279 --> 01:03:05,829 of Dave grush who's willing to put his career and his own personal safety on the line to 613 01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:10,740 to tell us about it so I think it's kind of a heroic thing that he's doing and and I think 614 01:03:10,740 --> 01:03:14,490 it may very well turn out when we read the history books of the future they're going 615 01:03:14,490 --> 01:03:20,650 to pinpoint uh this time this very time right now that we're in and say this is where things 616 01:03:20,650 --> 01:03:25,470 began to turn and people began to really take it seriously and get to the bottom of it well 617 01:03:25,470 --> 01:03:30,530 look at least Congress is doing an oversight hearing on it yes and we'll see what people 618 01:03:30,530 --> 01:03:35,109 tell them there will be oversight of that I've heard about it I don't know anything 619 01:03:35,109 --> 01:03:41,500 about it but representative burchett and representative Luna on the oversight committee are very interested 620 01:03:41,500 --> 01:03:44,970 in this issue and they're taking the lead in this issue so there is going to be oversight 621 01:03:44,970 --> 01:03:51,640 on this we plan on having a hearing pertaining to that whole issue but uh burchett and Luna 622 01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:58,480 are the two members of Congress that are know more about this than than I do thank you very 623 01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:03,680 much Mr Cameron appreciate Staffing as always thank you and I'm fine with them getting up 624 01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:07,210 there and saying look have we found things that wound up coming from other countries 625 01:04:07,210 --> 01:04:10,410 where at the time we didn't want people to know because we didn't want to let that country 626 01:04:10,410 --> 01:04:15,809 know that we had yes and that's uh the explanation for this and that and that that's fine with 627 01:04:15,809 --> 01:04:21,280 me I just think the time for silence on this is over because either you're covering something 628 01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:27,039 up that's nonsense which is silly uh or you're covering something up that should matter as 629 01:04:27,039 --> 01:04:32,809 much of the American people as it does to any government agency so Bryce Sable I appreciate 630 01:04:32,809 --> 01:04:37,940 your skepticism and you're going forward with it and I see that picture of that that little 631 01:04:37,940 --> 01:04:44,089 statue of that alien you have over your shoulder known as an Emmy uh so so I respect that good 632 01:04:44,089 --> 01:04:48,490 placement good placement caught my eye and we will continue the conversation uh good 633 01:04:48,490 --> 01:04:51,650 luck you're doing good work here thank you for doing it appreciate you good luck with 634 01:04:51,650 --> 01:04:54,119 the need to know podcast and we'll be in touch take care 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